It's a mystery to me why the Mets don't want to fire Omar Minaya, but maybe getting rid of everyone who works for and advises him may be the next best thing. The Daily News:
The Mets have fired Ramon Pena, the organization's top official in charge of signing Latin American talent, the Daily News has learned. In addition, vice president of scouting Sandy Johnson intends to retire, and minor-league field coordinator Luis Aguayo has been let go, sources said.
Tony Bernazard, who was fired on July 27 after a series of over-the-top clubhouse antics, and Johnson were Minaya's two top lieutenants. More turnover could be coming since only Rudy Terrasas, who oversees the amateur draft, is believed to be under contract beyond this season.
Pena's dismissal signals displeasure with the performance of a number of high-caliber Latin American prospects signed as teenagers.
The Latin thing is interesting. For the past couple of seasons, I have noticed increasing resentment among Mets fans about the team's heavy interest in Latin players under Omar Minaya. My first impulse was to write much of it off as misplaced grousing at best, something more ugly at worst. After all, who doesn't like Johan Santana and K-Rod? Wouldn't Mets fans rather have someone besides Daniel Murphy getting so many at bats, even if his name was Gonzalez or Martinez?
But the Daily News article really does a good job of describing the failure of the Mets' international operations under Minaya. Jose Reyes was a Steve Phillips signing. No one else has made an impact, despite the Mets' far greater need to make waves on the international market due to their constant forfeiture of draft picks due to free agent signings. There's nothing wrong with focusing so heavily on Latin players per se, but if you're going to put all of your huevos in one cesta, you had better be good at it.Assuming all of these guys getting axed were Omar Minaya hires -- and assuming that Omar isn't going to be trusted to pick their replacements -- one wonders why Minaya still has a job himself.
Pedro! Hire Pedro to coordinate international scouting. When Omar signed him he predicted Pedro would bring in great Latin prospects.
I'm not a Mets fan or hater, but when Minaya was hired, there was a definite emphasis on Latino marketing. It's good business to reach out to everyone that has moey to buy a ticket, but if the marketing 'appears' to be geared towards either the white population, the black population, or the Latino population, then you are likely to alienate 2/3 of your consituency.
My first impulse was to write much of it off as misplaced marketing at best, something more ugly at worst.
At the end of the day, none of that matters. For any BB fan, you could sign Martians, and they wouldn't care, if they produced.
How have the Mets signings produced?
The Mets extended Omar's contract through 2012 last October, days after losing another playoff bid on the last day of the season. More importantly however, it was also a mere 2 months before Bernie Madoff's ponzi scheme collapsed, evaporating 700 million Wilpon Bucks.
The idea that they would pay Omar to sit at home is probably not on the table.
Look, here in the good old USA there are quite talented Latin players that go unrecognized by the scouts.
Check out the schools in Texas, Arizona, California and Florida to start, I'm sure they can find some darn good players there, since I've seen some play.
I'm tired of these organizations going outside of the country (this includes Japan) to bring players here to play America's past-time when they don't read/write or speak English.
As far as Minaya, the Wilpon's should get off their asses and can him. He's useless. The farm teams couldn't provide adequate replacements for any of the injured players this season, injuries shouldn't tank your season if you have good player development. Phillips at least seamed to have a clue.
He keeps his job the same way Jim Hendry does...the organization isn't REALLY interested in winning. Only the fans are...s0ort of. As long as they keep buying tickets, watching games, etc.
I'm tired of these organizations going outside of the country (this includes Japan) to bring players here to play America's past-time when they don't read/write or speak English.
Wow tell us how you really feel. Considering the rosters of almost every team in MLB, there are players from all over the world. Are you telling us that since it's "America*'s Pasttime" that only people born here should play?
* - and Latin America is part of "America". Just because people in the US refer to it as America doesn't excluse those from Central and South America.
The problem with an all Latin American team is that they mostly refuse to speak English. This basically spits in the face of most of the fans coming from Long Island to seem them play. And call out Minaya as well. He is biased towards players from Latin America and is not giving American born players and equal look. But of course you cannot do this because it is "politically incorrect".
Umm, isn't Pena in charge of finding YOUNG Latin American talent. That is, kids who would be in the draft in there were a Latin draft?
This isn't about being able to sign all-stars.
The problem with an all Latin American team is that they mostly refuse to speak English. This basically spits in the face of most of the fans coming from Long Island to seem them play. And call out Minaya as well. He is biased towards players from Latin America and is not giving American born players and equal look. But of course you cannot do this because it is "politically incorrect".
Wow racist much? Guys like Mariano Rivera, David Ortiz, and Manny Ramirez seem to speak English every time I've seen them interviewed. Who are you watching?
Also, commenting on people's inability to speak English and then referencing Long Island is hilarious.
Jack Meoffer: I don't know about you but I go to ballgames to see them play baseball, not talk about stuff.
Get over your xenophobia.
Omar has made it's good and bad desicions but I think overall he has done a good job. It's not his fault that the team colapsed on september two seasons in a row. The talent was there, the execution and coaching failed. The biggest problem has been on the farm system wich hasn't provided any leverage to the team and says a lot of the people that have been advising him. I think is a good idea to cleanup everything below and leave Omar at the top. After all he assembled some very good teams. Also we cannot blame Omar for the problems on the club house. These matters should be handled by the manager and his coaches.
Oh Jack Meoffer... you're most likely just a troll but I need to say this on the off-chance that you're not.
Suggesting that Latin American players' inability or refusal to speak English is "spitting in the face" of English-speaking fans is the height of self-centeredness. I can't even believe the kind of ego you must have to think that the language someone speaks would have anything to do with you.
HEY CRAIG, I HOPE YOU GET THIS IDIOT RACISTS PIG OFF, LIKE YOU KICKED MY POSTS OFF AND I WAS ONLY RECOMMENDING SOME OF THE FELLAS QUIT POSTING ABOUT BASEBALL AND GO JUMP ROPE..........
SK, MAYBE IF THE AMERICANS WERE BETTER THEY COULD PLAY IN THE MAJORS
BUT GIVING THEM A POSITION ON A TEAM JUST BECAUSE THE SPEAK AND WRITE ENGLISH IS A RIDICULOUS IDEA, I BELIEVE YOU ARE PLAYING THE RACE CARD IN A RECKLESS WAY.
SK, DID THE NATIVE INDIANS PLAY BASEBALL ???
DID THEY SPEAK ENGLISH OR WRITE IT FOR THAT MATTER???
YOU SHOULD READ UP ON THE HISTORY OF AMERICA!!
MURPHY, LATINO
SHEFFIELD, LATION
MAINE,LATINO
PELFREY, LATINO
WAGNER, LATINO
FRANCOUER, LATINO
RYAN CHURCH, LATINO
NIESSE, LATINO
OMAR SURE LOVES THE LATINOS............
THANKS FOR LATINO NIGHT TOO, ESPECIALLY FOR THE MIAMI HEAT, EL HEAT
THIS IS THE DUMBEST THING I HAVE EVER HEARD AND THIS HAS BEEN A ACCUSATION SINCE OMAR GOT THE JOB.
MAYBE THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE THESE RACISTS ACCUSATIONS ARE GUILTY
OF SOMETHING.
Hotrod,
You appear to be stacking the deck! By the time your message was posted, Wagner was long gone. Also, Francour took the place of church. So that leaves about 6 Gringos to play with Santos, DelGado, Castillo, Reyes, Pagan, Beltran, Hernandez, Rodriguez, Santana. I do have a baseball team being touted as Los Mets! WTF is that all about? The marketing strategy is skewed WAY off center as is their organizational focus.
Bottom line, I want the best team on the field. Not the best Latino team. Not the best 'Amercian' team. That can't be done if the organization specifically focuses on forcing the racial mix. It's the tail wagging the dog.
Stop it! None of you make any sense. It is about team chemistry which the Mets are lacking from Omar to the bat boy.
One example, MY YANKEES... spent tons of money on Whites, Hispanics, Blacks, and Asian players, but somehow they underperformed until hopefully this year when THERE IS TEAM HARMONY and CHEMISTRY between the organization's management and the players... There are all kinds of races at all levels, yet it works! Because as someone posted before, THE YANKESS AS A WHOLE (INCLUDING ITS FANS) LEAVE AND DIE TO WIN!
Just look at how nice both HANK and HAL have led BRIAN do his job to get the right resources for JOE to manage brilliantly.
BTW, I AM A DOMINICAN YANKEES FAN... Good luck METS!
Hotrod,
You appear to be stacking the deck! By the time your message was posted, Wagner was long gone. Also, Francour took the place of church. So that leaves about 6 Gringos to play with Santos, DelGado, Castillo, Reyes, Pagan, Beltran, Hernandez, Rodriguez, Santana. I do have a baseball team being touted as Los Mets! WTF is that all about? The marketing strategy is skewed WAY off center as is their organizational focus.
Bottom line, I want the best team on the field. Not the best Latino team. Not the best 'Amercian' team. That can't be done if the organization specifically focuses on forcing the racial mix. It's the tail wagging the dog.
"The problem with an all Latin American team is that they mostly refuse to speak English. This basically spits in the face of most of the fans coming from Long Island to seem them play. And call out Minaya as well. He is biased towards players from Latin America and is not giving American born players and equal look. But of course you cannot do this because it is "politically incorrect"."
It never fails, does it?
So I guess you can't make links in the comments? This is what I was trying to show: http://www.leslie-p.com/images/get-a-brain-morans.jpg
please will someone just tell the truth: Omar Minaya has failed to make the Mets a winner. the past 3 seasons have all ended horribly. the organization is in tatters. how can a New York City team be allowed to be so pathetic without accountability? the starting pitching, except for Johan, is a joke; the bullpen was weak; hitting was anemic; fielding was worst in majors; strength and conditioning and player health the worst in majors; farm system a joke. Fire Omar and start rebuilding.
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