Too much stupidity on the basepaths prevented it from being a great game, but Monday's ALCS Game 3 was another exciting contest, one that will keep the second guessers going all night long following the Angels' 5-4 win in 11 innings.
Yankees manager Joe Girardi will catch all of the flak after his team lost for the first time in six postseason games. The decision to pull David Robertson after he faced just two batters, retiring both, will be the one under the microscope.
However, the truly awful decision was pulling Johnny Damon with the bases loaded and one out in the bottom of the 10th. Girardi thought a better arm might make a difference, so he inserted Jerry Hairston Jr., even though Mariano Rivera allows relatively few flyballs to left field.
The move would have been more defensible, though still undesirable, had Hairston come in off the bench. However, Hairston had already been inserted into the game as a designated hitter when he batted for Brett Gardner in the top of the ninth. The move meant the Yankees would lose their DH with the spot due up third in the top of the 11th.
Of course Rivera, being Rivera, pitched out of the jam, without any help from Hairston. But the switch meant that Rivera would have to either hit in the 11th or be removed from the game. Girardi opted to pull him and use Francisco Cervelli. Cervelli fanned, and Robertson came in to pitch the bottom of the 11th.
After Robertson got two outs by throwing 11 pitches, there was another shocking move. Out came Robertson and in came fellow right-hander Alfredo Aceves. The switch likely had something to do with Robertson throwing 33 pitches on Saturday, but if it made sense to use him to get two outs to start an inning, it certainly made sense to keep him in to face another right-hander. Besides, it wasn't a real 33-pitch outing for Robertson on Saturday. Intentional walks accounted for one-quarter of those pitches.
The moves backfired in spectacular fashion. Howie Kendrick singled off Aceves and Jeff Mathis followed up with a game-winning double over the head of Hairston in left. It was a ball that likely would have eluded Damon as well, but the natural outfielder would have made a better run at it.
The hit was redemption for Angels manager Mike Scioscia, who had his own non-move that seemed to backfire in the 10th. After Mathis led off that inning with a double, Scioscia could have had Reggie Willits run in his place. Had he done so, there's a good chance the Angels would have ended the game in the frame, as Willits shouldn't have had any problem scoring from third on a Chone Figgins grounder to first that forced Mark Teixiera into a dive. Mathis opted to hold on the groundout and was stranded at first. It was an uncharacteristic decision from the typically aggressive Scioscia, but one that worked out just fine when Mathis won the game in the 11th.
Girardi has pretty much been stupidly using the bullpen the entire post season yanking pitchers like a drunken sailor. That he has been successful so far has been luck that he has probably misinterpreted as brilliance. The Hairston for Damon swap just capped it off. If the Yankees lose the ALCS, it will probably be a result of his over-managing.
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, KEEP CHAMBERLAIN OFF THE FIELD. HE ABSOLUTELY SUCKS.
TRADE HIS ASS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. HE IS A NON-CONTRIBUTOR EXCEPT IN THE LOSS COLUMN.
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, KEEP CHAMBERLAIN OFF THE FIELD. HE ABSOLUTELY SUCKS.
TRADE HIS ASS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. HE IS A NON-CONTRIBUTOR EXCEPT IN THE LOSS COLUMN.
Pulling Damon and not being able to use Mariano Rivera for at least 3 more out was just stupid!! The he pulls Robertson, what the heck was the guy thinking??!!
I completely agree with this. They shouldnt have been in extras anyway b/c he shouldnt have put joba in. Joba has become a waste of a roster spot quickly. and he should have kept robertson in who is already 2-0 this postseason and obviously can win and work out of jams. plus aceves gave up the run to the angels on saturday to give them the lead in extras. the yanks had a chance to go up 3-0 and basically clinch but giardis calls kept that from happening
Girardi,
Please don't overthink this game.
Are you kidding me!
Robertson should have never been pulled.!!!
In fact, leaving Mariano in would've been a great move.
I agree with dumbfounded, because I am.!!!
If we lose the series, this would be the game that coused it.
What reason did he have to come out and talk to Petite in the sixth? Girardi sit your ass on the bench and let the professionals do what they are paid to do. This is your second year, you are a meathead, it isnt rocket science to realize that Aceves cant handle pressure, Robertson can, get it through your thick skull, asswipe.
I was screaming at the TV during both of Girardi's stupid moves. I totally agree with dumbfounded - girardi has been able to get away with his boneheaded use of the bullpen because they have won - not because of his moves but in spite of his moves.
I agree 100 percent with char in miami. Joba has got to go but quick! And I am really sorry to say this, and it really is nothing personal because I think he is the greatest outfielder around but Damon is just coming up pretty empty in the hits department. We need consistant bats and we aren't getting it. This was a tough loss but lets understand all these teams that made it this far got here for a reason. We are not losing to a dog team, so 5-4 loss in 11 innings is a hell of alot more respectable than 11 zip loss the Dodgers just experienced. Don't get me wrong a loss is a loss but the Yanks rule and this will only serve to fuel them ! They win 2 more and go to the World Series against the Phillies!!Go Yanks!!!!!!!
oh the clowns could not wait for one of Girardi's moves to backfire so now one has
BIG DEAL
Tomorrow ia another game .........Joe Torre was always blamed for wearing pitches out because he pitched them so much so now just the oposite ...a hater is a hater no matter what
Yanks in 5 or 6
Seems everyone is pretty unanimous in the comments. Hate the way Girardi over-manages the bullpen sometimes. And I can tell you Aceves is someone who I have little confidence in for short relief. I also ? why is Marte even on the roster for this round? Bruney certainly would have given them another righthander to use in short relief and yeah lets use a space for Guzman.
total bad moves micro managing just relax if we lose !!!! just relax skipper
The broadcasters said it best when he pulled Robertson "this move is puzzling to say the least" I was shouting at my TV. I mean Aceves is not awful but it's to get the 3rd out and there is no history between Aceves and the hitter. SO what was the reason. AND I WANT A REAL ANSWER!!!
Regarding Willits for Mathis:
Are you suggesting that the Angels would have, or should have, sent a runner from 3rd, the winning run, on a hard ground ball to 1st with nobody out in the inning ?
Really ?
That's what you're suggesting as a sound tactical move ?
With Rivera on the mound? Absolutely. Worst-case scenario is runners on second and third with one out. Best-case... game over.
I didn't understand the yanking Mariano or replacing Damon more than anything else. Then, pulling Robertson. Well, I think we have a rookie post season manager. I had hoped for so much more. Mariano looked disgusted even though he would never want us to think that. So, I suppose we have to realize the miscues will probably come from the dugout rather than on the field. GO YANKEES - PROBABLY IN 7.
We all have to realize we have rookie post season manager. Taking Mariano out and Damon out really puzzled me, the Robertson move for Aceves left me dumbfounded, and Pettit coming out when he did. I think this guy panics. Still - GO YANKEES in 7.
Joe screwed up.....period. Took Andy out 1 inning too soon. Should have saved Mo for if and when they got a lead..isn't he called "the closer"? Took Phil out too early, took Robertson out at all..The Damon thing, like Judy said, baffled me also. He kept going to "the book" to check the batter's stats. OK...but your pitching is great, why change it? Throw the "by the book" percentage's decisions out...use common baseball sense. Let's hope for better tomorrow!
The Yankees are here in spite of Girardi's game management style. He has a disturbing tendency to move away from the hot hands and manage by his capricious impulsive ideas. When a rested pitcher is going well, give him a chance. Girardi thinks and analizes too much. Acevedes can eat up innings in a lopsided game, but in a tie situation, on the road, he has no business being out there. Where's Bruney when we needed his stuff? Girardi has him working out in Tampa.
I agree with a lot of these opinions about trading Joba Chamberlain. He has been "babied" all season not letting Hughes get his fair-share of appearances. Hughes is a better pitcher mechanically. Chamberlain is good trade bait. The Yankees could get something good like another left-handed bat with that short porch in right. Girardi is really not a manager (this being only his second season as manager of the Yankees). He has such great players he should just let his players play the game.
It is too bad that modern baseball managers go by the book all the time. Wouldn't it be nice to see a complete game, and/or a reliever go 3 or 4 innings? Despite the loss, it looks like New York still has a great advantage. Bring back the Mickey Lolich's and Bob Gibson's. And let the players play ball, not managed by computer statistics. Artie via Wisconsin
Based on many of these comments, it seems like no one watches National League games where more thinking and switching is involved. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt. Thats the way the game is.
Yea. If I was managing, I think I would leave a hot relief pitcher in a little longer espec in extra innings. Believe in your players a little more and leave the stupid binder alone. Damon must be a little pissed. He may play the winning hit into a catch as well. have a good sleep tonight Joe.
Ace has come through a;pt for the Yankees. Unfortunately it wasn't tonight. Joe Girardi has done a GREAT JOB managing. He has outsmarted the Angels manager the whole series. We didn't have that with Joe Torre. A Rod is hitting and the pitching looks great. Other guys have to step up and contribute like Melky and Cano. Its just a matter of time and everything will fall into place. CC is going Tuesday and well see what happens next.
All these writers just second guessing everybody.
Is it just me or is Joe Buck the worst announcer you ever heard? I can't stand his commentary and announcing. I don't think he knows baseball at all.
Actually worst case scenario is runners on 1st and 2nd, not 2nd and 3rd as Aybar was on 1st at the time.
So unless Aybar goes 1st to 3rd, and Figgins somehow goes to 2nd, as Mathis gets thrown out at the plate I'm not sure how your "worst case runners at 2nd and 3rd with one out" occurs.
Your scenario is actually what the Angels got out of the play: 2nd and 3rd one out, meaning no double play and a sac fly still a viable option.
There is not a single baseball manager at the major league level who sends Mathis on that play.
May have been some bad managerial decisions, but they wouldn't have been necessary if the boys weren't hitting oh-fer 19 with RISP. Good thing they are getting their money's worth from Tex in the field, 'cause he reverted to his April hitting mentality.
Yikes. Yes, runners on first and second. Obviously, if it was runners on second and third... well, that'd kind of be a no-brainer.
So, Mathis doesn't go. Second and third, one out. Mathis goes and gets thrown out, then it's first and second with one out. I'd be more than willing to trade the one base in a contact play situation against Rivera. It's pretty rare that he gives up sac flies.
But that wasn't really the decision at all. If you're going to go with contact, then you definitely put in Willits. If you're not going to go contact -- and Scioscia didn't -- then you might as well stick with Mathis.
His worst decision was taking out Matsui so Gardner could get thrown out at second right before Posada hit a home run. That was the game. With Posada up and Cano to follow...WTF? All the rest of the left field craziness followed from that.
Being a Red Sox fan I loved it today but the last 2 games I've been screaming at the TV also. Scosica has looked lost, hitters talking 1st pitch strikes, by my count about 12 times yesterday, bringing in a lefty to pitch to A Rod in the 9th (why pitch to him at all) and they looked intimidated in NY. Couldn't hit, couldn't field, etc. but NY fans, you know this to be true: your Yankees have not looked that great either, especially against the Twins, a team that needs three hits to score a run. CC looks great, as does Jeter, but I think you know what I mean. Giradi helped the Angels come out of their funk today and if they are able to beat CC tomorrow, you know it's gonna get scary, those last three games. I know you know what I mean.
And the Yankee machine begins to eat itself. Enter choking stage right...
I love the Monday morning quarterbacking by the writer. If Willits would've ran for Mathis who would you bring in to catch. You need an experience person behind the plate.
As for the Yankees fans on this blog...well suck it up. Most people hate USC Trojans and the Damn Yankees.
It was sickening to lose that game today. I agree with most everyone who has posted - a major case of over-managing: Damon, Rivera and most definitely Robertson. However, a finger needs to be pointed at Teixeria and the bottom of the lineup - absolutely infuriating. Thank you Tex for your fielding, but you're not getting the big money to be The Ghost of A-Rod Past. Swisher has one key hit this postseason and looks entirely inept at the plate. How did he earn all those walks during the regular season? Melky has to be benched. I don't understand. Why not start Gardner? You get better defense, more speed and a live bat. You can't get any worse. Angel pitchers could have bounced the ball four times to the plate and Cabrera would have swung at it. Is Cano ever going to produce with the bat when it counts? There has been no consistent hitting in the Twins series and this one. The clubhouse door needs to be shut and someone throw a few things and knock over a few tables. I hope we snap out of it.
I agree with Tony about Tex and Swish. I have been to Angel Stadium twice this year so far Tex has done nothing against his old team whatsoever. Swisher is the same. He can't hit against this team. Some sort of mindblock. There were tons of bad moves tonight and do not know where to start honestly, but removing Robertson was the main one. It's too bad that Mariano's brillance in getting out of that huge jam went for naught. C C better bring the pain tomarrow!
I agree! Girardi should be fired even, and I hope we still do after last night, win the ALCS! Fire him! I wouldn't even want him managing little league!
A nod is as good as a wink to a blind horse. Bench coaches should have tackled Giradi and not let him out, to talk to Petite, yank Damon, put in Aceves etc etc etc
ok so what anyone has failed to mention is that it should have never went into extra innings in the 1st place. IN the 8th innning Gardner got thrown out stealing on a 1-0 count pitchout!! OK anyone that knows anything about baseball knows that with a runner like Gardner and a 1st strike pitch to the batter,you can almost smell pitchout! Cmon Girardi your a former catcher you should know this! Should have waited a few pitches into the at bat but by then the Yanks would have been ahead becasue 2 pitches later Posada hit a homerun!!
I've heard the expression arm chaor QB. What is it in baseball when all the idiots talk about what they would have done different?
Chamberlain has been misused, he has ability but forcing the starting roll on him andthe joba rules have hurt him. Remember he is still young and should mature. Rivera in 1995 was terrible and a bad starter imagine if they had given up on him back then as well.
The pulling of Robertson made no sense at that point, the Damon/Hairston switch is secondary but Robertson was pitching well and has proven his ability to handle the pressure.
don't know who had a worse game - Girardi or Swisher?
The yanking of Robertson was a bad move for another reason. What if the game went another 4,5 6 innings? There was only one other pircher left in the bullpen. Was Girardi going to come in and pitch himself? This micro mananging is stupid.
What's lost in all these comments is that our team went 8 for 40. While the Angels out hit us. 13 for 40. I don't disagree with the bad managerial moves, but the bats better wake up.
Tell me that after game 4.........
Did you really believe the Yankees would go 11-0 in the post season?
We all knew it was not going to be ab easy series. One loss is hardly "choking"
I'll generally reserve judgment of Gerardi until after game 4 with CC. If CC can't pitch to his normal level on short rest after 8 innings, then I'll look at Gerardi mismanaging the pitching of this team. However right now, it just seems like he made a single (or two) bad decisions and lost a game. If the bullpen loses again (or CC gets lit up, again that's a huge maybe on CC) then we'll start seeing the blame very clearly on his management of a pitching staff which was dominant in the stretch.
I love seeing Yankess fans upset!
As a Red Sox fan maybe you can give the Yankees some hints on how to beat the Angels in the postseason. After all the Sawks do have a great postseason record against the Halos. Of course I forgot about this year. But nevertheless, please ask Tony Francona if he can give us a few points to go forward with. Thanks for the help.
I cannot agree more. However I do not think we will ever see that again. I have been a fan for 59 years,and do not like the way the game is played now. Would love to see the game the way it used to be.
Does nobody think that Joe was fired by the Marlins for no reason ?? He thinks they are winning because of him. Think Casey Stengel - not winning with this team would be difficult and he makes things difficult.
I have to agree with everything above. Chamberlain scares the hell out of me - it may not be his fault given the way the Yanks mis-used hin this season, but everytime he comes in I expect the worst. Then the decision to pull Robertson for Aceves was bizzare! This is not hindsight or second guessing, but Robertson looked good, and was far more reliable in both the regular season and post season.
The move that really makes no sense is the Hairston to LF, pull Damon, lose the DH move. What nobody seems to mention is that Girardi still had the kid OF Guzman on the bench. If you have to pull Damon, wouldn't it have made sense to just send him in for Damon, leave Hairston at DH, and thereby allow Mariano to pitch the next inning. not have to pinch hit Cervelli for him. Guzman may not be great, but neither is Cervelli, so why lose the DH?
I am and always have been a Yankee fan but Girardi needs to pull his head out of ass...why he did what he did last nite defies explanation. That loss is totally on his shoulders, no one elses...take that damn book away from him, whatever is in there is no help to the Yankees at all, or at least it was not last nite...go with your gut Girardi, if you have any!! Your mind should have been telling you not to pull Robertson, why didn't you listen?
Stay home tonight and let anyone else manage...anyone else...tsk, tsk, tsk, shame on you...
Robertson has been lights out -- why Aceves? He has struggled at times -- stay with the hot guy!!!
I think the worst decision that no one is discussing happened in the eighth inning.
The Yanks are down 4-3 after Kendrick tripled and scored on a sac fly in the bottom half of the seventh.
Matsui leads off the top of the eighth with a single.
Girardi inserts Gardner to pinch run.
Posada takes a first pitch strike, but Gardner doesn't run.
After a lot of cat-and-mouse between Gardner and the red-bearded Angel reliever, Gardner runs on a pitch-out. Close play, but out at second.
Posada homers on the next pitch to tie the game at 4-4.
My point is, if Gardner runs on the first pitch, he probably makes it and then the Yanks take the lead 5-4 on Jorge's homerun. Or don't run at all and let your lineup drive in runs. That's how you got here. Don't start playing small ball now.
Girardi's decisions are either predictable (everyone in the park knew Gardner was running, hence the pitch-out), or he tries to overthink everything. Two games in a row, the Yanks have had one guy left in the bullpen. Not smart...if this is baseball genius, then maybe that's why I don't get it. Otherwise, Joe's just getting in his own way.
I was not screaming at the TV because of stupid decisions because the freakin game started at 1:30 on a Monday afternoon.
Come on MLB. Playing at home means playing at home-- not on your own field in an east coast time slot.
Are you knocking Stengel? - Take a look at the rosters of all those teams he beat in the World Series - Far more Hall of Famers than were on Stengel's Yanks.
I am a die-hard Yankees fan but, all season I've been saying that Girardi has no "feel" for the flow of a baseball game....he proved that last night.
The biggest difference between Joe Girardi and Joe Torre is that Torre would often go with the "hot hand" at the plate and on the mound. It's part of what a manager (a good manager) should do. If he is truly in tune with the game, he has the correct instincts most of the time in the manuevers he makes. Girardi puts way too much emphasis on what the book says vs. what his gut tells him to do.
Last night, he cost the Yankees a win with:
1. Having a runner attempt to steal a base on a 0 - 1 count in front of Posada who was at the plate (Posada hit a HR after the runner was thrown out...)
2. Continuing to go with Nick Swisher in the lineup - everyone in the universe knows what a streaky player Swisher is. Right now he is ice cold at the plate but, Girardi continues to stick him in the lineup and, his ABs are killing rallies.
3. The inexplicable replacing of Robertson on the mound after he got the first two outs of the inning. Robertson is very nearly a dominating pitcher at the moment, throwing his best stuff of the season. Because "the book" told him that Aceves was the better matchup, he removed Robertson and the rest is history.....
It has become painfully obvious that the Yankees have won this year in spite of their manager.......
i am a bit surprized that joe left in andy for that long i thought he should have pulled him out oncehe got into trouble
This just in - Joe Girardi changed bus drivers on the ride back to the team hotel!
time to sit Swish. 1st & 3rd no out. twice. zero rbi's. looks lost.
who's the new driver - Ralph Cramden?
What no one seems to realize is that graduated with honors from the Grady Little's School of Mismanagement.
Of course I meant that Girardi graduated. Sorry.
lol. he also changed rooms when he got there because the 1st one didn't have any problems.
A lame excuse for Girardi being a rookie post season manager. The game is played the same and requires the same managerial decisions from little league to the MLB world series except for the big payday at the end. Although I like Joe, I've watched the Yankees all season long and have puzzled over a lot of his decisions. Also, I have for years tried to figure out why guys can't pitch 30-35 pitches night after night. They're in excellent health, stronger than long ago players, and make top dollar. Bet Dizzy Dean is rolling in his grave - he could & would pitch both ends of a double header....
hey joe, if it ain`t broke, don't fix it.
People are acting like the yanks lost the series.
Agreed, Girardi has been making some dumb moves all post season and the yankees are winning in spite of him. But he wasn't the one who stranded 10 and was 0-8 with RISP.
They just had a bad game as a TEAM--players and managers. The Yankees can still win with Girardi, in fact, they're gonnna win it all.
And what ever happened to SMALL BALL. 2nd & 4th innings, 2 men on with ZERO outs. Cano batting and he couldn't BUNT. For God's sake it doesn't have to happen enough all year that Girardi couldn't have asked Cano to try to lay down a bunt ?????????
i wasn't upset by girardi's moves whatsoever. i yelled with glee not gloom when i watched his boneheaded changes. all the yankee's fans around me became haters quickly. i am not an angels fan. i am less a yankees fan. phils will beat angels in 6 games.
As a bonafide fan of the definitely-wasn't-our-year Red Sox, I hate the Yankees.
But Girardi is just managing the same way he did in leading the Yanks to the best record in baseball and 6 previous postseason wins.
If pathetic fans wants to run him out of town, please do, for the sake of the rest of the league. But no one is going to beat Girardi's Yankees this year. Unfortunatey.
for the record, i amn't either a phils fan. indeed, i am a sox fan, a yankmees hater through and through. i still see the phils winning it all.
Girardi is an idiot for pulling Robertson, no question. Even if you are going to go "by the book," there was no book to go on in this situation.
Your point re: Damon is wrong: "It was a ball that likely would have eluded Damon as well, but the natural outfielder would have made a better run at it." Umm...no he wouldn't have. Have you watched any Yankee game over the last 3 seasons? Damon is an atrocious outfielder, who takes horrendous routes to the ball. So, you can't fault Girardi for replacing Damon with a halfway decent outfielder with the game on the line.
However, Girardi made numerous other terrible decisions which led to having to insert Hairston in left. Girardi chose to pinch run Gardner for Matsui, so Garnder became the DH. When Gardner came up again against Fuentes in the 9th, Girardi (again playing the "percentages" with a lefty/righty matchup) pinch hit Hairston for Gardner. This was stupid for a number of reasons. First, if you actually look at the stats, Hairston batted .240 against lefties this season, whereas Gardner batter .290. Second, and most glaring, is why pinch run Gardner there? Gardner is probably your best outfielder, so he gets wasted when pinch hitting for the DH. Girardi chose to keep Guzman on the post season roster. Pinch run Guzman for Matsui. Otherwise, don't keep Guzman on the post season roster.
I agree. Girardi is lucky he has great players to bail him out. Even his players questioned him
Bench Girardi
Robertson should never have been pulled.
No, Buck is not the worst announcer. The guy sitting next him owns that spot and Busck is running a close second.
If it weren't for four solo home runs the Yankees wouldn't have scored at all for they obviously can't produce meaningful hits with runners on base. If they continue to rely on homers they'll be watching the Angels and Phillies play in the World Series.
Pretty unintellegent comment. Were you screaming at the TV Saturday when every move that he made worked perfectly. Everyone loves to blame the manager, but the Yankee offense is two players so far, Jeter and A-Rod. The offense is 3 for 28 with RISP this Series! 4 for 28 means a win last night and 3-0. Of Course, it is more fun to be an armchair manager. If you did your moves, they would be 2-1 losing Saturday but winning yesterday. Wow your smart.
and if 'Ifs' and 'Buts' were candy and nuts we'd all have a merry freakin' christmas.
If the moves had worked, NYC would be building a shrine in Joe's honor. Give the guy a break, this is only his 3rd season as a manager and first time in the playoffs.
Leave Joba alone. It's the yankees fault for trying to ramake him. He was dynamite in the bull pen and he had confidence. The powers thatbe decided to create a starter and it backfired. Put the kid back into the bullpen. Girardi is out of his league.
If it is only for all his stupid antics Joba Chamberlain should get lit up everytime hes on the mound. The stuff he did after getting his last out in game 2 is just plain misplaced, this is baseball not soccer. As for Teixeira, Matsui, Damon it is very strange that pitchers have not figured out these dead pull hitters. Other than Jeter and Alex the gross of Yankee hitters are pull hitters, still 7 players hiz more than 20 homers, so the pitching got to be sudpect. As for Girardi, it is difficult looking at him with his I am so very important looks. This guy does not fit on a team like the Yankees, he probably is to young, inexperienced and does not have the BODY LANGUAGE of Mature Yankee Manager.
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